{"id":24437,"date":"2010-12-12T17:56:54","date_gmt":"2010-12-13T01:56:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/9n2.ac0.myftpupload.com\/1313\/?p=2402"},"modified":"2010-12-12T17:56:54","modified_gmt":"2010-12-13T01:56:54","slug":"2402-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ericbeam.com\/?p=24437","title":{"rendered":"Summing experiment"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[text ]The never-ending question ITB vs OTB summing. I&#8217;m an advocate for analog processing no doubt, So in turn analog summing is convenient. But in terms of summing alone without processing..?? The question is still up in the air.<\/p>\n<p>As an experiment I&#8217;d like to see what is preferred after some blind A\/B testing. One of these is summed ITB. The other is 16 channels worth in the analog realm via a passive summing bus + makeup gain.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>What file do you prefer Sum A or B?<\/p>\n<p>.<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/ericbeam.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/12\/Sum-A.wav\">Sum A<\/a><\/p>\n<p><div class=\"wavesurfer-block wavesurfer-audio\"><div class=\"wavesurfer-player\" data-wave-color=\"#000000\" data-cursor-color=\"#dddddd\" data-progress-color=\"#ededed\" data-height=\"127\" data-url=\"https:\/\/ericbeam.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/12\/Sum-A.wav\"><\/div><div class=\"wavesurfer-progress\"><progress class=\"wavesurfer-loading\" value=\"0\" max=\"100\"><\/progress><\/div><div class=\"wavesurfer-buttons_set\"><button type=\"button\" class=\"wavesurfer-play\"><span>Play<\/span><\/button><button type=\"button\" class=\"wavesurfer-stop\"><span>Stop<\/span><\/button><div class=\"wavesurfer-time\"><\/div><div class=\"wavesurfer-duration\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/ericbeam.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/12\/Sum-B.wav\">Sum B<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"wavesurfer-block wavesurfer-audio\"><div class=\"wavesurfer-player\" data-wave-color=\"#000000\" data-cursor-color=\"#dddddd\" data-progress-color=\"#ededed\" data-height=\"127\" data-url=\"https:\/\/ericbeam.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/12\/Sum-B.wav\"><\/div><div class=\"wavesurfer-progress\"><progress class=\"wavesurfer-loading\" value=\"0\" max=\"100\"><\/progress><\/div><div class=\"wavesurfer-buttons_set\"><button type=\"button\" class=\"wavesurfer-play\"><span>Play<\/span><\/button><button type=\"button\" class=\"wavesurfer-stop\"><span>Stop<\/span><\/button><div class=\"wavesurfer-time\"><\/div><div class=\"wavesurfer-duration\"><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n<p><strong>Summing method revealed below.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>A = Analog Summing &#8211; via\u00a0<a title=\"16\u00d72 \u2013 Passive Analog Summing Panel\/Hardy M1 Preamp\" href=\"https:\/\/ericbeam.com\/?p=1004\">16\u00d72 \u2013 Passive Analog Summing Panel\/Hardy M1 Preamp<\/a><br \/>\nB = Digital Summing &#8211; via Sonar<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s of my opinion that summing alone gives zero benefit. Add some outboard, now you&#8217;re getting something beneficial.\u00a0If your console\/summing solution is full of transformers, bandwidth\/headroom limits, High X-Talk, or tubes your \u201cprocessing\u201d plan &amp; simple. I find this to be the real difference in analog summing. The magic is in the functionality &amp; the world of outboard integration that opens up. Not the summing process.[\/text]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[text ]The never-ending question ITB vs OTB summing. I&#8217;m an advocate for analog processing no<\/p>\n<div class=\"more-link-wrapper\"><a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/ericbeam.com\/?p=24437\">Read the post<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Summing experiment<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,5],"tags":[115],"class_list":["post-24437","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-analysis","category-hardware","tag-summing","excerpt","zoom","full-without-featured","even","excerpt-0"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":24387,"url":"https:\/\/ericbeam.com\/?p=24387","url_meta":{"origin":24437,"position":0},"title":"DIY &#8211; 16&#215;2 &#8211; Passive Analog Summing Panel.","author":"Eric","date":"November 17, 2009","format":false,"excerpt":"Update : increased the channels from 12 to 16 (16x2) Made myself a nice little passive summing panel for my home rig out of parts lying around the shop. 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